The exploration of new planets

[Fetzenbankert]

Kreuz, my dear lad, (but also everybody else ) dont get confused by the vibes in the forum. I appreciate it when the discussions become intensive - why? Because this means that people are interested, they try to bring in their ideas and views and all quoted topics are crucial and important. Even when this means, that  its heating up a little bit - as long as everyone is polite, staying to the facts and arguing like gentlemen. I would be more irritated if nobody would answer. This means that nobody would care. And all my efforts would be for nothing. And the game would truly be dead. Disputes can lead to new beginnings, my friend.

No Fetzen, i'm speacking about very huge spaceships, created deuring golden age of the Ancients, few still exist ( source from WZ 1 or 2nd ed )

Hmm, cant remember. And unfortunately I dont have the 1st ed Warzone anymore. Can you find the passus out, plz?

For space travel : we know all some things abouy HARRISSON TUNNELS or HOLE. Sort of dimensionnal tunnels, which are very stables to unstables ( like you succed or not to your astronavigation tests ) => fast and relatively safe travels.

Another good question. Are there any rules for space travel? As far as I know, there are none. What happens, if you fail the "space navigation"-roll? (Well, I supsect I have to open a new topic )

[Black ICE]

Kreuz, what do you mean with this:

ONE BIG OBJECTION PLEASE !

"Also, you should not forget, that Cybertronics main seat is in the asteroid belt. "

NEVER, if we have to attribute Belt to someone, is to IMPERIAL. Read again the Imp sourcebook please

if you mean, asteroid belt is controlled by Imperial then I must say, this is wrong. Cybertronic acquired some bigger asteroids, in particular Ceres and Dembowska. They also colonized the asteroid fields of Jupiter.

Then bigger asteroids where moved together, connected to each other and so many small worlds have been formed. So I would say, that Cybertronic is main habitant of the asteroid fields.

for space travel, I remember that I read somewhere that it said a failed space navigation roll would either make the flight go in a random place or the space ship does not go too far away.

[Kreuz]

Yes my dear Fetzen You're right, but I just want some visibility in our posts

My dear Blacky :p Yes, I say that imperial claims the Belt.

Explanations :

1 -  Victoria is their land, and remember, books were writen before some major astronomical disvoveries.

2 - Imperial colonizing belt ( no more telluric planets weren't free ), at Ancient's time, their knowledge about asteroids was perfect, so we can easily conclude that's Victoria is the biggest planetoid of the belt.

3 - Even if Cybertro is inplanted in space ( like the C-Base ), Imperial, with its mighties clans, or special forces, will never abandonned its superiotity to this "cyberdegenerated bastards and minions of the last darkness", hum sorry So, I will ask your sources about """Cybertronic acquired some bigger asteroids, in particular Ceres and Dembowska. They also colonized the asteroid fields of Jupiter.""" But for Jupiter or rings, i'm agree.

4 - Population of Cybertronic is very too tiny versus Imperial ones to claim openly suprematy ( i've calculated human population too, like planet's ones, with demographic data like MC 2th ed for Luna, and my results was compatible to MC 2th ed ), like MIp is ridiculous comparated to Capitol ( and Capitol considers asteroids belt secondary : capitolian have a land, Mars :p )

5 - """Then bigger asteroids where moved together, connected to each other and so many small worlds have been formed. So I would say, that Cybertronic is main habitant of the asteroid fields."""
Cybertronic's age : approx. 140 years, Imperial so much more, I think it's not an argument. And remember, Imp was truely more powerful before its internal war.

6 - to continue about 5th point. Terraformations were specificities about the Ancients, I can't imagine no ones create atmospheres or assembling very big rocks after Symetry's coming. It would suppose presence of Thermonuclear reactors, fusion propelled engineries, over mega computorized technologies... It's totally out of our "steam-retro-dark-older-archaic-strange-gothic-horror" universe


That's my first opposite points.


For space travels, in my play system, astronav rolls will determinate duration's travel. If you are very good, with perfect roll, your travel time will be strongly shorted, or one a fumble, it will be twice or worst..
In my definition, Astronav competence is the knowledge of space maps and harrisson tunnels, and calculation about effects of this hole and their stability.

 

[Black ICE]

Yes my dear Fetzen You're right, but I just want some visibility in our posts

My dear Blacky :p Yes, I say that imperial claims the Belt.

Explanations :

1 -  Victoria is their land, and remember, books were writen before some major astronomical disvoveries.

2 - Imperial colonizing belt ( no more telluric planets weren't free ), at Ancient's time, their knowledge about asteroids was perfect, so we can easily conclude that's Victoria is the biggest planetoid of the belt.

there are more than 1 big planetoid in the belt. Besides that we can assume that all corporations posses some parts of the asteroid belt. Also we can assume that major parts of the asteroid belt are not even explored. 

3 - Even if Cybertro is inplanted in space ( like the C-Base ), Imperial, with its mighties clans, or special forces, will never abandonned its superiotity to this "cyberdegenerated bastards and minions of the last darkness", hum sorry So, I will ask your sources about """Cybertronic acquired some bigger asteroids, in particular Ceres and Dembowska. They also colonized the asteroid fields of Jupiter.""" But for Jupiter or rings, i'm agree.

also this must be considered: imperial was in the asteroid belt long before the dark symmetry arrived. so we can assume, that when the dark symmetry arrived and took over the control of machines major part of the people in space (asteroid belt, space stations etc) were killed.

Now it is much effort to colonize the asteroid belt. Therefore we can also assume that no corporation will invest so much money in this except for mining and similar commercial tasks.

4 - Population of Cybertronic is very too tiny versus Imperial ones to claim openly suprematy ( i've calculated human population too, like planet's ones, with demographic data like MC 2th ed for Luna, and my results was compatible to MC 2th ed ), like MIp is ridiculous comparated to Capitol ( and Capitol considers asteroids belt secondary : capitolian have a land, Mars :p )

The population of Cybertronic is of course tiniest. But nobody knows, how fast they acquire their people. But we can assume, that Cybertronic is working with high pressure to reduce their weakness.

5 - """Then bigger asteroids where moved together, connected to each other and so many small worlds have been formed. So I would say, that Cybertronic is main habitant of the asteroid fields."""
Cybertronic's age : approx. 140 years, Imperial so much more, I think it's not an argument. And remember, Imp was truely more powerful before its internal war.

6 - to continue about 5th point. Terraformations were specificities about the Ancients, I can't imagine no ones create atmospheres or assembling very big rocks after Symetry's coming. It would suppose presence of Thermonuclear reactors, fusion propelled engineries, over mega computorized technologies... It's totally out of our "steam-retro-dark-older-archaic-strange-gothic-horror" universe

actually, this is the text in the warzone source book about cybertronic. Remember: Cybertronic can and is doing things, others are not capable of.

That's my first opposite points.


For space travels, in my play system, astronav rolls will determinate duration's travel. If you are very good, with perfect roll, your travel time will be strongly shorted, or one a fumble, it will be twice or worst..
In my definition, Astronav competence is the knowledge of space maps and harrisson tunnels, and calculation about effects of this hole and their stability.

sounds interesting. do you mean with astronav the space navigation skill?